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NebuPookins.net - NP-Complete - In defense of Circular Reasoning
 
In defense of Circular Reasoning

In the first draft of this post, I spent an inordinate amount of time explaining the concepts of "axioms", "propositions", "logical equivalence", and so on, only to come to the realization that the people who are actually going to care enough to read this post probably already know what all those terms mean anyway. So let's skip to the real meat of the point I'm trying to make.

What's up with the "circular reasoning" fallacy?

See, if you and I both accept a given axiom A, and the proposition I'm trying to prove happens to coincidentally be A, then yes I'm assuming the conclusion I'm trying to prove. But so what? The logical derivation is still valid. The proof just happens to be a "1 step proof". People who cry "circular reasoning" presumably reject the axiom A, but if so, why not just clearly say "I reject axiom A", rather than claiming that a logically valid proof is somehow fallacious?

A sub issue I wanted to get into comes from the fact that it's possible for two axioms to be equivalent, e.g. the parallel postulate of Euclidean geometry, and the axiom that the angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. If two propositions are equivalent, then they contain the exact same logical information (i.e. if you already know the truth value of one, then you learn nothing new if I tell you the truth value of the other), and so if we both accept the parallel postulate, and I am trying to prove that the angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees, then I am employing circular reasoning again (and again, non-fallaciously): I'm assuming the conclusion I'm trying to prove, because by assuming that there exists exactly one parallel line through a point, I am implicitly assuming that the angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. The two propositions are equivalent. I might need to show, as a corollary, that the two are equivalent, but once you accept that, I've got my 1 step proof again.

Now here's my second point: If I am "telling" you something, i.e. I am giving you new information that you did not have before, then I am essentially giving you an axiom. If you ask me where Bob is, and I tell you "Oh, he's at the bowling alley.", then I am offering a new axiom "Bob is at the bowling alley" to our mutual belief/discussion-system. Maybe you'll reject the axiom (perhaps because given the other axioms already in the system, accepting this axiom would lead to a contradiction), but it's still an axiom, in the sense that I am not proving that it is true, merely asserting that it is true (or I believe that it is useful for it to be true for the purposes of our discussion).

So every time anyone ever answers a fact-based question, they are employing circular reasoning, in that they are trying to demonstrate that a given proposition ("Bob is at the bowling alley") is true, by introducing that same proposition as an axiom. It's a 1 step proof.

What then is the usefulness of the term "circular reasoning"? I believe the term still has value in that it can be used to explain the need to be more explicit about the set of axioms being assumed in a given discussion. "The angles of this particular triangle add up to 180, because the angles of all triangles always add up to 180." "Well, hold on a minute here, maybe we shouldn't take 'the angles of all triangles always add up to 180' as an axiom, less we run into circular reasoning."

What I'm really ranting against is the assertion that if an argument uses circular reasoning, then it is invalid. That assertion is false. The argument may be unsound (you disagree with the axioms used), but it's almost certainly valid, because it's hard to screw up a 1 step proof.

Unfortunately, there's probably too much stigma associated with circular reasoning that the moment you willingly admit that you are using it, your arguments will immediately be dismissed.

 
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1. Nebu Pookins said:
Testing comments on tumblr posts. I hope this works.
Posted on Wed December 22nd, 2010, 10:01 PM EST acknowledged
2. gfrlog said:

Of course my first reaction was to think of the whole situation as a directed graph, where statements are nodes and implication is an edge. One problem with using a simple directed graph is that if there are two edges directed toward one statement, it isn't clear if this is an "AND" or an "OR" relationship. So we'd generally need something more helpful.

However, I think it does help to consider what's being talked about. I believe a "circular" argument is either interesting, superfluous, or misleading, depending on what claim accompanies it. If one of the elements in the cycle is an axiom, than it could be an interesting way of playing with the axioms. If none of them are, but one of the statements is a true theorem nonetheless (provable from the axioms by some other line of argument), then the cycle doesn't accomplish anything as far as proof goes. And if there is not a known proof from the axioms to any of the statements, and yet the cycle is presented as a proof, then it's misleading.

I haven't read your post since you first published it, so I'm not entirely sure I addressed the same material or even remembered what you said correctly. But I refuse to put any further effort into this comment.

Posted on Fri December 24th, 2010, 1:42 PM EST

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