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NebuPookins.net - NP-Complete - Testing tasers on pigs
 

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Testing tasers on pigs
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John Webster, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, plans to study the effects of stun-guns on pigs. "If the hypothesis is correct that Tasers do not electrocute the heart, " Webster said, "then why are people dying in custody after they have been shot by Tasers? [...] We intend to answer that question. Our goal is to save lives."

Webster believes that the deaths are a cause of a combination of medical conditions. The study will involve three groups of 10 pigs each, specially bred with malignant hyperthermia. One will be given cocaine, one will be tasered, and one will both be given cocaine and tasered. All the pigs will be given anesthesia, so that they will not feel pain, and they will be euthanized after the experiments.

Webster's study will be the first independent study of the effects of tasers on pig hearts, all other studies having been performed by Taser International, whose results show that an electric charge 15 times stronger than the devices they sell is needed to actually kill someone. Taser International is interested because their Taser product is marketted as a non-fatal alternative to firearms. "We welcome Professor Webster's research as it can provide continued independent research concerning the safety of our life-saving Taser technology," said company spokesman Steve Tuttle.

Obviously, animal rights activist are against this study. "Subjecting pigs to cruel experiments is not the way to go on this," said Laura Yanne of PETA, and suggests that scientist rather focus on studying the humans who have survived Taser shocks and the autopsy reports of those who died.

UW-Madison professor Eric Sandgren, who heads a committee that oversees animal research, believes that "this is an outstanding example of one of those questions that can only be answered using animals. Boy, there's been a lot of deaths from this. If the alternative is to go back to using bullets, let's find out how to make this safe."

 
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1. Leafy Person said:
I'm not one to defend PETA and their often absurd positions but I'm with them on this one. There is no need to study the effects of Taser guns for the simple reason that they are a very cruel and painful way of putting someone out of commission and their use should be illegal. I'm not naive enough to believe that it will be possible to convince the law enforcement authorities to stop using Taser guns. I'm just saying this project is just another unnecessarily cruel example of animal abuse.
Posted on Tue March 29th, 2005, 4:23 PM EST acknowledged
2. relyss said:
I agree with Leafy Person. This is just a reason to torture even more animals for no apparent reason.
Posted on Tue March 29th, 2005, 11:08 PM EST acknowledged
3. Nebu Pookins said:

Leafy Person,

Ignoring the issue of animal abuse for now, it seems like you're against Taser guns themselves because "they are a very cruel and painful way of putting someone out of commission".

Image this scenario: I am a law enforcer and I have a target who is firing upon crowds of civilians, so I have to "disable" the target very quickly. Would it be better if I had a firearm, and killed the target, thus disabling them, or would it be better if I had a taser, and shocked the target, thus disabling them?

It's my (uneducated, I haven't done much research) opinion that tasers are a step up from firearms, in the case of law enforcement.

Posted on Wed March 30th, 2005, 9:38 AM EST acknowledged
4. Leafy Person said:
I agree with you that there should be a way to effectively stop a suspect without killing him. My point is that the Taser gun is an excessively painful (and sometimes lethal) solution. Electrocution dosage is hard to control, not to mention the fact that you need to be near the victim to stun him. I'd rather the cops shoot their suspects because the finality of that action would normally make them more cautious in the use of their guns. Whereas with a Taser, cops would feel less hesitant to use it willy nilly, notwithstanding the fact that it is a torture instrument.
Posted on Wed March 30th, 2005, 10:35 AM EST acknowledged
5. Nebu Pookins said:

To complain about the lethality of Tasers, but then to say guns are better is a bit self-contradictory to me. As for the range, the Taser has a range of 35 feet, which is well within the range you'd probably find in an urban combat situation (i.e. what a typical police officer will face). If you agree that there should be a way to stop a target without killing them, what better way than the taser? A net-firing gun would probably be too clumsy and big to lug around, and tranquilizer darts will probably not act fast enough to stop someone who is already firing onto civilians.

The using it "willy nilly" argument is one I concede to, and I think that the solution to that is adequate training on when it is appopriate to use it. For example, tasers should not be used simply to stop a fleeing suspect, nor when the officer is being attacked by a suspect who is bare-handed.

Posted on Wed March 30th, 2005, 11:32 AM EST acknowledged

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